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RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Batgirl - 09-15-2016

(09-15-2016, 05:12 PM)Charon Wrote: One rant of my own.  When i was caregiving my mother with incurable cancer in 94, her brilliant team of doctors made one mistake after another.

First, the doctor whom had misdiagnosed my father ten yrs earlier with diabetes, and it was pancreatic cancer, this wonderful doctor kept telling my mother it was pneumonia.  My son whom was two and I moved back in to caregive because i knew that doctor killed more people in my former home town than anyone.

The second opinion doctor told her to go home and die.  No meds.  He sent a bill for thousands to the estaTE OF my mother.  She was not dead.

Then, we had a third opinion.  She started chemo. She was released into my care as she was too weak by then.  One day before her death, i called the doctor and explained that the prednisone was making my mother extremely anxious and uncomfortable.  So, instead of one xanax, I gave her another one at nite as she requested.  I explained, and he knew, that i was the caregiver.  I handled the meds.  I had been there when family members passed over.

The next day when i called to report she had passed,  that rat bastard screamed at me, u made her die an addict to xanax.  Excuse me?  In lieu of the one a day he dx'd, he knew my sister was a big shot doctor in NYC.  She prescribed the xanax.

And, how, could one extra xanax given to my mother to help her pass without fear, cause her to become an addict?

I have no faith in doctors having read so many legal cases.  Haven been at the hospital with my medical sister every weekend for a couple years.  And being the family caregiver.

I know that in the event Dr. villanova is now dying, and he requested a second xanax as he was dying, no one would have thought twice.

The words he said to me could have hurt me forever had i not realized that doctors are very fallible.  And, the autopsy report showed the cancer had spread to every part of her bones and body.

So, one extra xanax to help her pass and her death was my fault?  (That is what dr. vilanova said to me.)

Asswipes.  The vast majority of them.

All the really good doctors were taken down by LE.  Forced to retire for treating pain.  This has been going on for years.

As you do unto others, may God do the same unto u.  Is it scripture?  not particularly.  It is how i feel.
What a terrible story. There are no words. Palliative care should be exactly that--to relieve pain and suffering. When I cared for my mother who was dying, she received morphine and all kinds of "addictive" drugs. Because at that point, it didn't matter if she got addicted (there was no time for a dependency to develop anyway). That doctor should have been tarred and feathered, or at least lost his license. Good for you for realizing the source of the ridiculous accusation was a moron. I don't know that I could have been so strong.


RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Cricket - 09-15-2016

(09-15-2016, 05:59 PM)Batgirl Wrote:
(09-15-2016, 05:12 PM)Charon Wrote: One rant of my own.  When i was caregiving my mother with incurable cancer in 94, her brilliant team of doctors made one mistake after another.

First, the doctor whom had misdiagnosed my father ten yrs earlier with diabetes, and it was pancreatic cancer, this wonderful doctor kept telling my mother it was pneumonia.  My son whom was two and I moved back in to caregive because i knew that doctor killed more people in my former home town than anyone.

The second opinion doctor told her to go home and die.  No meds.  He sent a bill for thousands to the estaTE OF my mother.  She was not dead.

Then, we had a third opinion.  She started chemo. She was released into my care as she was too weak by then.  One day before her death, i called the doctor and explained that the prednisone was making my mother extremely anxious and uncomfortable.  So, instead of one xanax, I gave her another one at nite as she requested.  I explained, and he knew, that i was the caregiver.  I handled the meds.  I had been there when family members passed over.

The next day when i called to report she had passed,  that rat bastard screamed at me, u made her die an addict to xanax.  Excuse me?  In lieu of the one a day he dx'd, he knew my sister was a big shot doctor in NYC.  She prescribed the xanax.

And, how, could one extra xanax given to my mother to help her pass without fear, cause her to become an addict?

I have no faith in doctors having read so many legal cases.  Haven been at the hospital with my medical sister every weekend for a couple years.  And being the family caregiver.

I know that in the event Dr. villanova is now dying, and he requested a second xanax as he was dying, no one would have thought twice.

The words he said to me could have hurt me forever had i not realized that doctors are very fallible.  And, the autopsy report showed the cancer had spread to every part of her bones and body.

So, one extra xanax to help her pass and her death was my fault?  (That is what dr. vilanova said to me.)

Asswipes.  The vast majority of them.

All the really good doctors were taken down by LE.  Forced to retire for treating pain.  This has been going on for years.

As you do unto others, may God do the same unto u.  Is it scripture?  not particularly.  It is how i feel.
What a terrible story. There are no words. Palliative care should be exactly that--to relieve pain and suffering. When I cared for my mother who was dying, she received morphine and all kinds of "addictive" drugs. Because at that point, it didn't matter if she got addicted (there was no time for a dependency to develop anyway). That doctor should have been tarred and feathered, or at least lost his license. Good for you for realizing the source of the ridiculous accusation was a moron. I don't know that I could have been so strong.

That is just deplorable Char. So f'n what IF she did become addicted, she was so sick and that Dr.? should have been more worried about keeping her as comfortable as possible more than worrying if she got addicted. Dr's have no compassion anymore or it's scared out of them by LE. Animals get much better care than people are getting. The medical industry is becoming a joke and I'm afraid it will only get worse. To me, that's criminal.

I never knew this happened to your mom. I think I would have had to go "postal" on that SOB. His day will come when he meets his maker and I pray he is sent straight to hell and suffers for eternity.

I'm soooo sorry this happened to you and your poor mom. That's unreal. Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

Cricket


RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Tbaronfl - 09-15-2016

Charon - couldn't have said it better myself. I learned that lesson myself several years ago when I was in the hospital - that DR's are not infalible. Quite the contrary, a significant number of them don't even know what they're doing and more than you'd believe are idiots. And they often can say the stupidest things.


RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Cricket - 09-15-2016

(09-15-2016, 08:21 PM)Tbaronfl Wrote: Charon - couldn't have said it better myself. I learned that lesson myself several years ago when I was in the hospital - that DR's are not infalible. Quite the contrary, a significant number of them don't even know what they're doing and more than you'd believe are idiots.  And they often can say the stupidest things.

I guess that's why they call it "practicing" medicine. They just can't seem to get it right.
So many dr.'s think they are gods and just don't care about what their patient is going thru. All they care about is getting you out of the office so they can see more people. Everything in this world today is about money, money, money. It's gettin' so hard to find dr.'s that actually care and want to help. They just want to keep those exam rooms full.

What has happened to this world. Wish we could all go back to actually caring about our fellow man/woman. Kinda like we do here. We look out for each other and try to help as much as we can.

Cricket


RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Charon - 09-16-2016

I guess that's why they call it "practicing" medicine. They just can't seem to get it right.

The above is a quote from cricket. love it. wish i had thought of that. LOL.

I am a tad bit more crude. I know doctors don't know their arse from a hole in the ground. Especially when it comes to trickier diseases such as autoimmunes.

Just loved you line, ms. cricket.


RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Cricket - 09-16-2016

(09-16-2016, 01:50 PM)Charon Wrote: I guess that's why they call it "practicing" medicine. They just can't seem to get it right.

The above is a quote from cricket.  love it.  wish i had thought of that. LOL.

I am a tad bit more crude.  I know doctors don't know their arse from a hole in the ground.  Especially when it comes to trickier diseases such as autoimmunes.

Just loved you line, ms. cricket.

Thanks Char, but I didn't make it up. I heard that said somewhere and it seems to fit.
The way medical care is these days, it worries me very much now that I'm getting older and come up with more problems every day. I also wonder what will become of me if I end up really sick and have no one to make medical decisions for me if I'm unable to make them for myself. Kinda a scary thought. Guess dr.'s will decide my fate and just let me go. If I'm that bad off, I pray they would keep me as comfortable as possible, but with how things are goin', especially with senior citizens, I don't have much faith in that. Hell, they'd love to see all of us older and unproductive folks gone and not be a strain on the system.
I don't see anything good coming health wise for any of us in the future. They'll probably do like they did for my mom. Move us to a hospital room away from everything and just wait for us to die. At least they had my mom knocked out with morphine, so she felt nothing and passed in her sleep. Didn't like it tho that they put her so far away from everything. Had we not been with her when she took her last breath, the nurses would have probably not known she had passed for quite awhile.

God help us all.

Cricket

Hope you have a nice weekend.


RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - MrFussbudget - 09-19-2016

Charon, what a heartbreaking story.  I'm so sorry for what you went through.  I'm glad your mother had you there for her.  I have had two friends in the last month die of pancreatic cancer, and my grandfather also died of it.  If anyone deserves to get the best meds available, it's those suffering from that horrible disease.

(I'm also in the Big Apple.) Smile


RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Charon - 09-19-2016

I am so sorry. Reasons unknown, my clan has died from every type of cancer since we made it to america from ireland.

Pancreatic is a big one. It is an awful disease.

I am sorry for what u went thru as well.

Another NYer? cool. am in the suburbs. But, a NYer thru and thru. Me father and I practiced law in Da Bronx. You gotta learn to be tough when u worked even in Riverdale. LOL.

Have a glorious day. I am sorry. I so hate cancer. My sister was stage iv colorectal cancer by age 38, in 1999, and I thnak God, as her caregiver, she is alive and well.


RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Bishop - 09-20-2016

Wow that is truly horrific Charon you are very strong. Your family was blessed to have you there to take care of them because unfortunately you just can't trust a lot of doctors to even care anymore


RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Themilkman - 09-25-2016

I have an acquaintance who is a retired Dr. and he has claimed his theory being good docs know how addictive they can be, and how tolerance works. At some point they feel a pressure to either cut someone off at a certain mg. They know this will not provide the relief it once did but get nervous past a certain amount. All while knowing how tolerance works? This would create a pattern of people seeking elsewhere if true.