11-12-2017, 09:15 AM
(11-11-2017, 10:51 PM)slipmat Wrote:(11-04-2017, 07:03 AM)Rafterman Wrote:(11-01-2017, 08:31 PM)invisiblejungle Wrote:(11-01-2017, 05:20 AM)Rafterman Wrote: InvisibleJungle....Thank you, so very much. for your input. It is exactly what I was looking for and is very helpful to me. One of the most interesting things you said is that both N and L block substance P. I am familiar with how sub P works and how we depressed types usually have such high levels that it increases our sensitivity to pain stimuli. This would mean that both N and L would be extra effective against pain in a depressed person, versus pain in the general population. I had heard this in theory, but your post confirmed it. Also, I really appreciate you sharing your first hand details. Much respect and thanks.
Glad to help. If you decide to try it, I hope it works out!
By the way, even though Neurontin and Lyrica are nearly identical molecules, they do feel somewhat different. So if one doesn't work, it might be worth trying the other. Lyrica is definitely stronger. For me, it feels about 4x stronger than Neurontin. (I would take 1200 mg Neurontin but only 300 mg Lyrica for similar effects.)
(11-01-2017, 08:05 PM)barq- Wrote: Thanks, this is really interesting because I'm on gabapentin (Neurontin) for idiopathic neuropathy. I've not had too much trouble with gabapentin, but I certainly see the potential for depression with these gabagenic meds. I am also prescribed tramadol, which for me is a functional antidepressant. In my case it is helpful, but it makes it harder to tell the effects of gabapentin.
We are going to see a lot more Lyrica and Neurontin in years to come. The pharma companies (Pfizer) are now promoting them as a treatment for anxiety, and I think that will be big. In the UK the NHS has started suggesting doctors use gabapentin for anxiety. But as with benzos in the past the addictive side is not something most doctors know about. I'm reducing my gabapentin down but my doctor was clueless. I ended up suggesting a taper schedule (a bit like one for benzos - nice and slow). There is also the abuse potential - although I don't understand the appeal!
I agree that L+N could become the new benzos, prescribed for everything while clueless doctors have no idea about the addiction potential and withdrawal problems. If you browse the drug forums, there are people who take 10 grams of Neurontin for fun!
Hey Invisible, thanks again for your continuing great advice and thank you for getting specific on the dosing. Much appreciated.
Very Interesting thread to read, thanks for sharing.
I am a little bit confused and worried at the same time. I have been on Lyrica since 2012, 600mg a day. I found this very uplifting to start with, now I feel I take it and trust it is doing its job. Worryingly is the time's people mention that Lyrica withdrawal can be worse than benzos.
I have missed maybe 3 days of taking my Lyrica in the time I have been using it, (due to running out prior weekend and negligence). I found that I did not even notice any withdrawal effects or a yearning to get another script. I was told in 2012 when I was placed on this drug that it is non-addictive, yet people are suffering from reduction from what I have heard/read on only recent Information.
I wonder if this is selective withdrawal person dependent, or can the withdrawal take +3.4 days to start?
Any information anyone might have on this would be appreciated, especially if they know of a certain withdrawal that will come from ceasing use.
Rafterman I noticed you mentioned a choice between Lyrica and opioids, in my situation with no problem (so far) as well as a Psychiatrist in 2012 assuring me Lyrica was not addictive I would avoid the opioid option between the choice of the two.
My knowledge is very limited, but I do have a friend who is having a terrible time with oxy c reduction.
I hope you managed to choose the right path.
I am sorry if I have strayed from the Depressive disorder from Lyrica thread, but reading posts it seems there may be more to the Lyrica Gabapentin drug that I have been unaware of.
My prescription for Lyrica since 2012 has been for anxiety disorder.
Thanks, Slipmat. I appreciate what you said and I agree with it. I should have made the point that I have kind a special case. I have a illness that is likely terminal. That is why I am so casual about mentioning me having a choice between Lyrica and opioids. At this point, I have less reason to worry about the issues that one can suffer with opioid use than a person who is expected to love out a normal length life. In a person who is relatively healthy, I would never suggest that that is a equally safe choice. Much safer to go with the Lyrica. Thanks for looking out for me.

