Decades old mass graves of babies in Ireland

[Charon]

(There are also awful "lullabies" one was to sing to their baby about being put in this home. It is true. God help us.)

Morning Mix
Decades-old mass grave of children of unwed mothers confirmed in Ireland

By Fred Barbash March 4 at 1:41 AM

This June 7, 2014 file photo shows the site of a mass grave for children who died at the Mother and Baby Home, in Tuam, Ireland. (PA via AP)
Between 1925 and the 1960s, in a tiny town called Tuam in western Ireland’s County Galway, thousands of “fallen women” and their “illegitimate” children passed through the Mother and Baby Home operated by the Congregation of the Sisters of Bon Secours. After a period of involuntary service and penance, many of the women who came to the home left to resume their lives, as The Post’s Terrence McCoy reported in 2014.

But some of the children did not leave. And what became of them remained a mystery into which few cared to inquire.

But after painstaking research, a local historian named Catherine Corless became convinced in 2014 that the infants and small children — perhaps 700 to 800 of them — died in the home and were buried without markers in mass graves beneath the property, perhaps in an underground structure such as a septic tank.

The story, which attracted worldwide publicity, was met with skepticism and even suggestions that it was a hoax. It wasn’t.

A commission established by the Irish government in response to her research and the ensuing controversy has reported finding “significant quantities of human remains” in 17 “underground chambers” inside a buried structure.

That structure, the commission said Friday, “appears to be related” to the treatment and containment of sewage and/or wastewater, though it was uncertain whether the structure was ever used for that purpose.

There is no uncertainty about the remains.

A small number of them were recovered for analysis, the commission reported. “These remains,” it said, “involved a number of individuals with age-at-death ranges” from approximately 35 fetal weeks to 2-to-3 years.

“Radiocarbon dating of the samples recovered suggest that the remains date from the time frame relevant to the operation of the Mother and Baby Home,” the commission said. “A number of the samples are likely to date from the 1950s.”

Further tests are being conducted.

The commission said it was “shocked” by the discovery and “is continuing its investigation into who was responsible for the disposal of human remains in this way.”


The testing and excavation found another structure as well, which the commission said appeared to be “a large sewage containment system or septic tank that had been decommissioned and filled with rubble and debris and then covered with top soil.” The report did not say whether researchers had yet looked for remains in that structure.

“This is very sad and disturbing news,” Katherine Zappone, Ireland’s minister for children and youth affairs, said in a statement. “It was not unexpected, as there were claims about human remains on the site over the last number of years.”

But previously the claims amounted to mere rumors, Zappone said. “Now we have confirmation that the remains are there, and that they date back to the time of the Mother and Baby Home,” she said.

“Today is about remembering and respecting the dignity of the children who lived their short lives in this Home,” Zappone added. “We will honour their memory and make sure that we take the right actions now to treat their remains appropriately.”

94319 Tuam in Galway County, site of the home run by the Bon Secours sisters.
In a statement published in the Irish Times, the Bon Secours sisters said they were “fully committed to the work of the commission regarding the mother and baby home in Tuam. … On the closing of the home in 1961, all the records for the home were returned to Galway County Council, who are the owners and occupiers of the lands of the home. We can therefore make no comment on today’s announcement, other than to confirm our continued cooperation with and support for the work of the commission in seeking the truth about the home.”

Corless’s original theory and now its confirmation “provide a glimpse into a particularly dark time for unmarried pregnant women in Ireland, where societal and religious mores stigmatized them,” McCoy wrote in 2014 for The Post.

Without means to support themselves, women by the hundreds wound up at the Home, Corless told The Post in 2014. “Families would be afraid of neighbors finding out, because to get pregnant out of marriage was the worst thing on Earth. It was the worst crime a woman could commit, even though a lot of the time it had been because of a rape.”


The government’s placement of mothers in institutions such as the Tuam home was a form of social welfare outsourcing, accompanied by payments to the homes, albeit small ones.

Corless’s research found that infant mortality at the home in Tuam was particularly high. Records for that home show that babies died at the rate of two per week from malnutrition and neglect, and from diseases such as measles and gastroenteritis, Corless told the Post in 2014.

Her interest in a subject others preferred to forget began when she was doing research for an annual local historical journal. She heard about a graveyard near what had been the Tuam home and wondered how many children might be buried there. In addition to looking at records of deaths at the home, Corless found that several boys had stumbled across a cracked piece of concrete “filled to the brim with human skulls and bones,” she told The Post in 2014. “They said even to this day they still have nightmares of finding the bodies.”

In the wake of the commission’s report Friday, Corless told the Irish Times that it was “an enormous relief to have the truth come out about what I knew. I can only imagine what the survivors of those who died there must feel, and those who had family connections to the home. The Church and State owes them all an apology,” she said.

The commission is already investigating how unmarried mothers and their babies were treated between 1922 and 1998 at 18 religious institutions used by the state.

“This could have gone either way,” Corless told the Irish Mirror.

“It could have been covered up as it was in the 1970s when this investigation should have taken place,” she said. “The county council knew at the time that there were remains there, the guards knew it, the religious [orders] knew it and it was just all nicely covered in and forgotten about.

“When I started this research,” she told the Mirror, “I was asked, ‘What are you doing? It’s a long time ago. If there’s bodies there, just leave them."


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[Charon]

The River Saile
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The River Saile" (known also as "Weile Waile") is a children's nursery rhyme from Ireland.[1] This type of song is also known as a murder ballad or Child ballad, named for Francis James Child who was the first person to catalogue them before his death in 1896.[1] The ballad was popularised by Irish folk band The Dubliners.
Contents [hide]
1 Lyrics
2 History of the ballad
3 Usage in popular culture
4 References
5 Bibliography
Lyrics[edit]
There are many variations on the lyrics but this is the version popularised by The Dubliners. Even they changed the lyrics and the mention of the Special Branch detective was added during the 1970s when the Special Branch of the Garda Síochána, the Irish police force, were used for matters of national security. Previously, that line read "There were two policemen and a man, [etc.]" suggesting two uniformed officers and an investigating detective.
There was an old woman and she lived in the woods, weile weile waile.
There was an old woman and she lived in the woods, down by the river Saile.

She had a baby three months old, weile weile waile.
She had a baby three months old, down by the river Saile.

She had a penknife, long and sharp, weile weile waile.
She had a penknife, long and sharp, down by the river Saile.

She stuck the penknife in the baby's heart, weile weile waile.
She stuck the penknife in the baby's heart, down by the river Saile.

There were three loud knocks come a'knocking on the door, weile weile waile.
There were three loud knocks come a'knocking on the door, down by the river Saile.

There were two policemen and a Special Branch man, weile weile waile.
There were two policemen and a Special Branch man, down by the river Saile.

They took her away and they put her in the jail, weile weile waile.
They took her away and they put her in the jail, down by the river Saile.

They put a rope around her neck, weile weile waile.
They put a rope around her neck, down by the river Saile.

They pulled the rope and she got hung, weile weile waile.
They pulled the rope and she got hung, down by the river Saile.

And that was the end of the woman in the woods, weile weile waile.
And that was the end of the baby too, down by the river Saile.


History of the ballad[edit]
The River Saile is believed to refer to the Salach which is the local name given to the River Poddle in the city of Dublin. Salach is an Irish language word meaning "filthy".[2] The river Saile is an Achill stream between the townlands of Cashel and Saile. The song is a reference to famine time practices in the west of Ireland when extreme hunger and poverty didn't allow families the ability to feed all their kin. This song is about the great unspoken legacy of the great famine or Gorta mor of 1845–49.


Child documented thirteen versions of the ballad, which he named "the cruel mother". All have variations on the same theme, a leal maiden[3] giving birth to two children. The children are killed in different ways such as stabbing with a penknife, bound hand and foot and buried alive, or strangled.[4]


The meaning of the phrase "weile weile waile" is unknown, but by a curious coincidence is remarkably similar to the Middle English lamentation "wailowai", "weilewei" etc. from Old English. It is an interjection, an exclamation of expressive grief,[5] and is noted in the 14th-century poem, the "Song of Michael", the fourth of the Kildare Poems,[6] a collection of sixteen poems composed in Middle English from a manuscript discovered in Ireland, some of which were evidently composed by English colonists in Ireland.

[Sudsy]

OMG I do not know what else to say at this moment.

Sudsy

[Charon]

This is not new info. only the confirmation is new. I interviewed many an Irish woman whom performed self abortions. Or they knew where to get them. Hard to believe even in 1998 women were involuntarily committed for being pregnant out of wedlock in Ireland.

I left the Catholic Church as some of my heroes from it, Sir Thomas Moore, turned out to have burned six people at the stake as they did not follow Thomas Moore's exact own interpretation of the Bible. They allowed many to be killed.

But, it was not just Ireland. We had one childrens home in Pennsylvania. It was finally shut down. Bodies of murdered children lined the basement. It was how this area in PA made its money. "Caring" for these poor children.

And, I had one poor cousin whom was held in a New York institution. Mildly retarded. But, the state automatically took male children, beginning by about 16, and put them in homes. Willowbrook. It was an enormous scandal the way the patients were treated. When we found out, we got my cousin into a group home. He was a lovely man. He died young from the treatment he received at Willowbrook.

I am not a political activist but many claim that Sandy Hook was staged. It was done because LE does stage murders to convince a perpetrator that their hit was carried out. They go to great lengths to prove things happened. Using actors. Film crews. However, no emergency crew was ever allowed inside the school. No bodies were ever removed. No children were seen escaping on the police cameras. Some of the alleged dead people and kids show on other accounts of social media. But new rules came into play against gun possession. And, now the psychiatrists of PA can prescribe all sorts of horrible meds to recoup the monies that state lost when Pennhurt Asylum went down.

The worst for the Irish, is that when we studied ireland in my home or at University, we were taught that info now exists that the british masterminded the famine. It was planned. We Irish were troublesome I reckon.

[Charon]

Irish "Potato Famine" Was Deliberate Genocide

June 16, 2015

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(left, location of mass graves in Ireland)

THE IRISH HOLOCAUST- (Irish: an Gorta Mór) or the Great Hunger was a period of mass starvation, disease and emigration in Ireland between 1845 and 1852


According to historian Chris Fogarty,
the "Irish Potato Famine" which killed over five million people
was not a famine but a deliberate British policy of starvation similar to the
Holomodor in the Ukraine in 1932-33.


The truth is startling, 67 out of 130 regiments of Britain's Empire army were in Ireland in this period (100,000 at any one time). The troops were not on a humanitarian mission. Their job was to remove food by force."


This is a summary of a Red Ice Radio broadcast supplemented by information from Chris Fogarty's website http://www.irishholocaust.org/. Chris is author of the book: Ireland 1845-1850:The Perfect Holocaust, distributed direct from the author in Chicago, USA.


by Richard Merriman
(henrymakow.com)


History is a big lie told by the victors. The illuminati have almost perfected rewriting history to suit their own agenda.

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I grew up thinking that the Irish famine was a natural catastrophe caused by crop failure; the Irish were guilty of only cultivating only one crop-- potatoes.

While Chris Fogarty was researching the biography of his paternal grandfather at the National Archives, he uncovered a policy of genocide . The truth is startling: 67 out of 130 regiments of Britain's Empire army were in Ireland during this period (100,000 at any one time). The troops were not on a humanitarian mission. Their job was to remove food by force.

The nation starved as its food was confiscated, 40-70 shiploads a day were removed at gunpoint assisted by British constables, militia and troops. They seized tens of millions head of livestock, tens of millions of tons flour, grains and poultry. These vast quantities were more than enough to feed 18 million people.

The first lie was that the famine was due to the failure of the potato crop. When the quantity of exported Irish foodstuffs could no longer be concealed, the second lie was that the rich Irish were starving the poor Irish. G.B. Shaw wrote in Man and Superman 1897: "The Famine? No, the Starvation. When a country is full of food and exporting it, there can be no Famine."'

In The Great Hunger (1962,) British Historian Woodham Smith identified 13 of the food removal regiments. She became a pariah in British and Irish academia for the next 30 years. Academic historians maintain the lie that only one crop was cultivated, covering up the food removals and exportation to England. British and Irish academia won't approach the truth, and anyone bringing the genocide out in the open is smeared as a "republican" (implying a terrorist.)

Former Irish President Mary Robinson referred to the genocide as "Ireland's largest natural disaster." In 2005, British Prime Minister Tony Blair said, "Britain stood by while the Irish starved to death", but did not acknowledge role of the British Army in forced food confiscations.

The consequence of publishing the truth can be severe. Chris Fogarty has been raided several times and charged by the FBI. He was told unofficially that British intelligence were involved. The charges were later proven to be fabricated and dropped.



THE HUMAN TOLL AND MOTIVE

The 5.2 million death figure cited by Chris is higher than the official figures which only posit a 2M drop from 1841-51 due to natural famine and emigration. He believes the 1841 census underestimates the real population of over 12M. He calculates a total population reduction of about 6 million with about 1 million emigrating.

The genocide was a deliberate attempt to exterminate the Irish people and their cultural and national identity. Queen Victoria's economist, Nassau Senior, voiced his fear that existing policies "will not kill more than one million Irish in 1848 and that will scarcely be enough to do much good." The Times leader in 1848 wrote "A Celt will soon be as rare on the banks of the Shannon as the red man on the banks of Manhattan."

During the "famine" years, Irish foodstuff received high prices on the agricultural and commodity markets of the world. The British Empire covered half the globe; why else would it keep half its armies in Ireland at great expense?

The Irish were an obstacle to Britain's world power. They were Celtic, Catholic with their own rich culture and traditions, namely strong: National identity, Family, Culture and Christian faith. The Irish have a strong Celtic consciousness giving the people the ability to think critically, morally and be self-sufficient and it's in our DNA cultural Marxism cannot extinguish it.

Ireland like many European nations is undergoing the genocide by cultural Marxism, mass immigration of third worlders, minority rights of LGBT, feminists to undermine marriage, gender leading to moral collapse.


The Irish government minister Alan Shatter left, a Zionist Jew, accuses the people of not being sufficiently attentive to the Jewish Holocaust. The propaganda project is failing to mass indoctrinate the Irish.

Charity starts at home and our first duty is to be attentive to our own people's national tragedies before concentrating on another peoples. Shoahism has no place in Irish cultural life, as the nation and its people had no involvement in this event, so have no guilt or responsibility whatsoever.
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Related-
How British Free Trade Starved Millions During Ireland's Potato Famine
Irish Food Exports During Famine Years
And Again

Ireland 1845-1850:The Perfect Holocaust and Who Kept it Perfect
Mr Chris Fogarty 900 North Lakeshore Drive Condo 1507 Chicago Illinois 60611
$20 , Add $3 in state postage within Illinois email: fogartyc@att.net
Readers in Europe can order copies to be posted (cheaper postage than from USA) from Ireland from johnrobinsonimports@eircom.net


First Comment from Andrew:

The oligarchs who ruled Britain during the Irish Genocide 1845-1852 perfected starvation genocide in India. They ruled through The British East India Company (BEIC) for 200 years . The 5 million starved in Ireland pales in comparison to the 50,000,000 starved in India during BEIC rule. Wiki provides Timeline of major famines in India during British rule. The British historical alibi sounds almost as bad as the truth. "It was caused due to the widespread forced cultivation of opium (forced upon local farmers by the BEIC as part of its strategy to export it to China) in place of local food crops, resulting in a shortage of grain for local people in Bengal."

The BEIC " forced Indian farmers to plant indigo instead of rice, as well as forbidding the "hoarding" of rice. This prevented traders and dealers from laying in reserves that in other times would have tided the population over lean periods."

It would have been impossible to order British soldiers or BEIC forces to execute millions of Bengalis or Irishmen, so they forcefully removed food and let starvation and disease do the dirty work for them. Famine sounds so much better than genocide back in Britain and America.

The same starvation policy eradicated 45 million in China after WW II.
"The famine that killed up to 45 million people remains a taboo subject in China 50 years on. Author Yang Jisheng is determined to change that with his book, Tombstone."

The starvation in the South after the US Civil War is another example. How the end of slavery led to starvation and death for millions of black Americans.

The last sentence of the article Irish Genocide points out how the Holocaust is always used to distract from the crimes of the British and Americans. James Bacque's book, Other Losses explains how US and Allied Forces starved 700,000 German soldiers in open detention camps after they surrendered. Then we starved another 5,000,000 German civilians in post WW II Germany. If we put Other Losses beside Julius Epstein's Operation Keelhaul,The Story of Forced Repatriation (1973) a very disturbing pattern slaps us in the face. Epstein's book explains how America returned hundreds of thousands of anti-communists fleeing the Iron Curtain. American forces returned these people after the beginning of the Cold War. MANY RETURNED ANTI-COMMUNISTS WERE HUNG in the presences of American soldiers.

You won't find any of that in history books in the UK or USA either.
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- See more at: https://www.henrymakow.com/2015/06/irish...i5K8v.dpuf

[IceWizard]

This is horrendous to say the very least!!!!

I can see how "the powers that be" will stay in power by any means... This makes me ill...

Thank you for sharing such info ...

Wake up people or it WILL happen .... Again ...

Ice