MoneyGram/Western Union and tor

[Lunar]

Money gram has that stupid red phone if you use cvs which seems to be everywhere. They are cracking down more and more on moving your money without answering a million questions. lol.

Speaking of bitcoins, its the way of the future. Its getting easier and easier to buy them, just set up an account at coinbase, hook up your bank account to it and order away. Or for more anyonymity, use localbitcoins and you can do an in person cash deal, no ID required. You can also send mg or wu or some other payment methods but who needs those guys? Bitcoin costs nothing to send beyond a miners fee of a few cents, maybe 4 cents or so which is nice and no paper trail, no record of you doing anything or who it went to. We need to wise up these lazy iop's that they need to accept bitcoin and start right now. The excuse that there are no local places to cash in is false. Localbitcoins is worldwide, the iop can sell online and get a bank transfer if they wish or do it locally. If you get a LL it may be because they intercepted your email or saw where you sent your mg/wu payment. I recommend the electrum bitcoin wallet.

Speaking of email, you do have pgp don't you? Go to www.gpg4win and download the software. Once its set up its the easiest thing to do an encrypted email that not even obama's flunkies can read.

Thanks Grandote. Use bitcoin, duh. I can't believe I didn't think of this sooner. It's funny how sometimes the answer can be so obvious and simple.

We vote with our dollars(or bitcoin, or dinar, peso, etc...) Bitcoins have no paper trail and are rediculously easy to acquire now a days it would be rediculous for us not to consider them.

If an IOP accepts bitcoin, great, buy from them and if you've got time mention you chose them b/c they accept bitcoin.

If an IOP doesn't, your conversation should go something like this:

"Hi vendor, I prefer you over other vendors because (list genuine reasons). So that makes me wonder vender, when do you plan on accepting bitcoin? Not today, you say. No worries. Please inform me when you start, because you are after all my preferred vendor, but in the mean time I guess I'll just buy from this other vendor who does."

The good vendors are good b/c they have enough business sense to value repeat customers, and I bet it wouldn't take too many conversations like the one above before a good vendor who currently doesn't accept bitcoin starts accepting it.

Rock on Grandote.

[Grandote]

That will do it, Lunar. There is no excuse not to take them and many reasons to take them. MG/WU are cracking down on transfers and say they do not allow purchases, only gifts. A couple conversations like that and they will think again. You can sell bitcoins on many platforms for many types of payment including bank transfer, paypal, swift transfer, etc. And sometimes there is a buyer in the same city for cash. Likewise when you want to buy them.

[Lunar]

Just stumbled on this site which claims to make using bitcoins even easier than Coinbase.

www.circle.com

It's like PayPal and Coinbase mixed together. They are able to offer PayPal like services for free because they are using the bitcoin platform to send and receive money. In fact, the way they have it set up, you hardly even know bitcoin is being used. It's a perfect solution for those who have avoided crypto-currencies because of the inherent degree of IT know how just to acquire one.

Although, becasue of the PayPal like features, it no doubt leaves a paper trail. But so does MG and WU. But, even if it's not used for IOPs it could just about replace MG and WU on every other front.

Disclaimer: I just found this site yesterday, and although the above statements sound admittedly like a sales pitch, I can not personally vouch for Circle.com, having only begun my research and not as of yet actually employed their services.

[Grandote]

Circle is good, coinbase is good, both are fine depending on what you want to do. Localbitcoins is good and you can do a local cash trade with no ID needed. Coins from lbc are 'tumbled' or made anon when you get them. They can't be traced to you, only back to lbc but not to a specific user. Make a trade, show up with cash, get your coin, done deal. Easier than mg by a long shot.

[Jc_Aloha]

WU works great with prepaid cards too. More discreet and just as easy. Fee is the same as walk up like someone said. I've never had any issues using a prepaid visa with WU. Literally takes 5 minutes online. I hate going into places as well. I use prepaid cards for anything I need to do with WU.

[Longbaugh]

I'm pretty much done with WU/MG. Just to many hassles. Now I seek out sources that take Bitcoin or Paypal. Even though most sources that take Paypal only do it for a short peroid of time due to buyers that receive their meds and report to Paypal that they were scammed thus ruining it for everyone.

[Popster]

Be careful with Paypal......they are not happy with people using them with IOPs.


As I understand it, IOP's that use PayPal would be in violation of PayPal's terms.......do some research first.

[Longbaugh]

Be careful with Paypal......they are not happy with people using them with IOPs.


As I understand it, IOP's that use PayPal would be in violation of PayPal's terms.......do some research first.

That's why if you buy meds via paypal you have to declare it as a gift, not a business transaction.

[Popster]

to clarify,  it is the IOP that would get into trouble with Paypal.....I am not sure about the consumer......either way Paypal's stance on this issue is clear.

PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
Last Update: July 1, 2015

You are independently responsible for complying with all applicable laws in all of your actions related to your use of PayPal's services, regardless of the purpose of the use. In addition, you must adhere to the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy.

Prohibited Activities
You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.
relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, © cigarettes, (d) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (e) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (f) the promotion of hate, violence, racial intolerance or the financial exploitation of a crime, (g) items that are considered obscene, (h) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (j) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (k) certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.
relate to transactions that (a) show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law, (b) support pyramid or ponzi schemes, matrix programs, other "get rich quick" schemes or certain multi-level marketing programs, © are associated with purchases of annuities or lottery contracts, lay-away systems, off-shore banking or transactions to finance or refinance debts funded by a credit card, (d) are for the sale of certain items before the seller has control or possession of the item, (e) are by payment processors to collect payments on behalf of merchants, (f) are associated with the sale of traveler's checks or money orders, (h) involve currency exchanges or check cashing businesses, (i) involve certain credit repair, debt settlement services, credit transactions or insurance activities, or (k) involve offering or receiving payments for the purpose of bribery or corruption.
involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent.


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Contact Information
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Please send contact information, business website URL and a brief business summary to compliance@paypal.com
Providing file sharing services or access to newsgroups; or selling alcoholic beverages, non-cigarette tobacco products, e-cigarettes or prescription drugs/devices.
Please send contact information, business website URL and brief business summary to aup@paypal.com
Activities involving gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, fantasy sports, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not legally defined as gambling) and sweepstakes, if the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.
Please send contact information, business website URL and brief business summary to aup@paypal.com

Be careful with Paypal......they are not happy with people using them with IOPs.


As I understand it, IOP's that use PayPal would be in violation of PayPal's terms.......do some research first.

That's why if you buy meds via paypal you have to declare it as a gift, not a business transaction.

[Longbaugh]

Yes, that's what I meant. It's the IOP's account that would get shut down. The buyer doesn't suffer any consequences.