North Korea and Possible War

[D-izzy]

Have to agree also, but...

There were NO nukes then...Nukes do-not differentiate between, Innocents, Conscientious Objectors or even Soldiers.  Maybe the politicians will be OK though?...

It is a very sad state of 'politics', and the humanitarianism that is so lacking in N.Korea today cannot be so easily fixed, certainly not by war, as we have seen in many recent wars of, 'goodwill'...

Bad people will always be in power somewhere in the world.  And I don't think Trump is the man to deal with this situation, not rationally anyhow!

I hope it all comes to nothing, again...

[Tigertail58]

Yes,  what SteveN said,  Tommy I had read that we have appeased them going on 25 years.

Given money and other aid to convince them to take a different path, it did not work as all can see.

Remember how appeasing a crazed Hitller can get nowhere.

Chamberlin said we have peace in our time waving the paper, rubbish....it was then and also now days .

I have a son there in uniform, things are bad, worse than it's been in 50 years.  That said I don't think all hell will break loose, everyone has too much to lose.

[G.Elias]

They all need to take a deep breath and step back and look at the bigger picture,posturing and giving it all the 'fire and fury' type talking doesn't help the situation.

So hopefully this will pass without any crazed leader going anywhere near that button,for now at least.

That NK leader is a stupid little man,they wouldn't last long faced with the force the US has at its disposal,the north would be left in ashes and rubble.
Then all that radioactive fallout would reach the south and start slowly killing them over time,how as a race of people we have come to this?
Peace is better than a place in history.

[Kufey]

This scares the crap out of me last thing we need is another war if we are going to survive on this planet we need to stop fighting and start fixing our problems

[yellowdog]

I don't know enough about the situation but It scares me. I don't think " talks" are gonna work. I also thought trumps " fire and fury " was a bit umm childish, does he he get is youngest son to write his speeches?

[relaxme]

The crazy fat Korean remember me a lot to Hitler. You can not talk with people like this , more time you give to him, worst the things will be. Imagine if USA destroyed this asshole 10 years ago, that should be lot easier than now and a lot easier than in 10 years. He is pissing off to many countries, USA, South Korea, Japan, even China ? .

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This scares the crap out of me last thing we need is another war if we are going to survive on this planet we need to stop fighting and start fixing our problems

Sometimes you need to fight. That kind of attitude is what it made Hitler so big , none in the "EU" wanted to fight, till it was to late.

[Furyan66]

Good Evening All

I don't know about everyone else on here but I do not see this ending good and coming to a head really quick.

Question now is IF North Koren detonates a h-bomb over the pacific will and or should the United States respond with force?

Do we just accept North Korea as a nuclear country and pray that they don't use em?

I sure pray for all the people in Seoul and our 28,500 troops we have stationed there.

Just my opinion as much as I would like to have the threat eliminated now the US will have to wait until North Korea actually attacks someone and kills god knows how many before the US can respond with force. I am really conflicted and more nervous now than I ever was during the cold war. Just got a bad feeling in the gut about this. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail because I fear once a nuclear weapon is used by either side will it be able to be contained???

Peace All

Fury

[G.Elias]

Reports today of a possible explosion according to Chinese news, South Korea saying its a natural quake and not as reported by China an explosion, just don't know what to believe from anyone any more, this has started to become very worrying, cool heads needed indeed not silly name calling.

[barq2]

Question now is IF North Koren detonates a h-bomb over the pacific will and or should the United States respond with force?

Do we just accept North Korea as a nuclear country and pray that they don't use em?

I sure pray for all the people in Seoul and our 28,500 troops we have stationed there.

Just my opinion as much as I would like to have the threat eliminated now the US will have to wait until North Korea actually attacks someone and kills god knows how many before the US can respond with force. I am really conflicted and more nervous now than I ever was during the cold war. Just got a bad feeling in the gut about this. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail because I fear once a nuclear weapon is used by either side will it be able to be contained???

That's a very good question, and a big IF.

I think it probably depends where they fire their missile. If they sent it over Japan and into the sea on the other side, then things could escalate. I don't think any country would tolerate having a hostile nuclear missile fly overhead. Another factor is what boats at sea get caught up in this. If detonation at sea took out a US ship then it is hard to imagine Trump wouldn't respond. However, we've still to see if NK actually goes ahead with this. They haven't followed through on Guam (yet).

Also NK have only just become capable of making a hydrogen bomb. They've done it once. So they don't exactly have a stock of them ready to fire. It might be quite a while before they can manufacture another one to put on a missile. They've got to make the plutonium in reactors since it does not exist in nature. There's no quick way around what is a huge engineering challenge. Doing a demonstration at sea also uses up one of their precious nukes, so they won't do it until they have a spare in case of actual war.

If we apply game theory, like in the Cold War, then this is a game of chicken. To de-escalate things you need to find a way that both sides can back down without losing face. That was basically how the Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved. The USSR removed their nukes from Cuba, and the USA removed theirs from Turkey. For the USA, they could say those missiles in Turkey were out of date so didn't lose face. Also Khrushchev wrote a letter to JFK that was a real cry from the heart about how they might tie a knot so tight that neither side would be able to undo it. Communication was patchy, but both men knew the other didn't really want war, so it became more about how to back down.

In this case we really don't know what Kim wants. But he must understand his capital city will be vaporised if he hits US allies. While he presumably has some kind of personal bunker, while down there he'd lose control of the country with it's destroyed city. Besides which, I'm not aware of bunkers that can withstand a direct hit with a hydrogen bomb - a 15 kiloton atomic bomb, yes, but 100s of kilotons, or even megatons, no.

My hope is that some within Kim's regime see how dangerous this is and remove him by whatever means necessary. The fact he has had dissenters killed doesn't show his power, it shows his vulnerability. You don't have family members killed if you feel secure in power. But I feel very sorry for the ordinary people of North Korea.

This is really scary, but remember that unlike the Cold War the world isn't facing mutual destruction as this is far more limited in scale. In the Cold War there were thousands of nukes on each side. Not saying it isn't bad but I don't think this is as serious as the Cuban Missile Crisis which really could have been WWIII.

[Furyan66]

Bump...

We got some pretty serious stuff going on here...

Been no posts here couple days but things really haves anyone else getting as nervous about this as I am???? Now he is threatening to shoot down allied bombers and fighters that are in international airspace even if they have not violated North Korean airspace.

This is a powder keg getting ready to blow. China supposedly wont help North Korea if they attack first. If US attacks first China will back North Koren. If and i do say IF god forbid someone uses a nuke does anyone see how this does not escalate into another World War? If that threshold is crossed I'm not sure it can be contained. Kind of opening Pandora's box.

How about some current thoughts especially all the new members signing up,

BUT SERIOUSLY THIS NORTH KOREN SITUATION REALLY MAKING ME NERVOUS!