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[barq2]

Hello barq
Nice to meet you.  Been a bit low with a bug this week so just getting back to speed.  Being new to this forum I guess it's ok to discuss this topic in suggest a vendor (UK) as basically this law is unfortunately shitting down various vendors. The law was meant to come into immediate effect April 6. But Police and Border forces said it was unworkable. But for sure it is absolutely coming into force on May 26th this week. What is now manageable that wasn't as far as the Police are concerned there is no information.  Yes you are right even aromatherapy was under threat ridiculous. "Music" is that a Pyschoactive substance or activity ?   The law doesn't effect anything classified under the medicines act or controlled Meds.  It seems the Nootropics industry or Kratom are the fatalities.  I conpletely agree with banning dangerous substances But what of Alcohol or Cigarettes? To much tax advantages for the powers to be.  

Luckily my preferred life savers would all be classified as Medication. But it's not making life particularly easy and I can see a rise in seizures at customs of Meds not banned u der this rule.   Anyway hope you enjoy your day. 

Hi iovio,

Hope you are over your bug now. Good point about alcohol and cigarettes. Personally I don't want alcohol banned because I like it, but it does reveal the inconsistencies. Like you my needs are medical and not recreational. I have never taken any of the legal highs that supposedly give a buzz/energy.

You are absolutely right, that ban is now in force. It came a bit sooner than I thought.

I had a read through the guidance and psychoactive seems to mean that the substance has been tested in a lab to show it works on the same neurotransmitters as the reference drug. So something like flubromazepam has been shown in the lab to hit the GABA receptors in a similar way to diazepam, therefore it would be regarded as psychoactive.

There are problems with this:
1) A lab test tells us nothing about the bioavailability of the substance - is it actually going to end up in a person's bloodstream?
2) A lab test tells us nothing about whether the substance crosses the blood-brain barrier.
3) A lab test tells us nothing about the actual psychoactive effects in a human. Something might technically have an effect, yet be imperceivable to someone taking it. How psychoactive does it have to be?

Any of 1-3 could raise reasonable doubt, which is of course the crucial issue in a criminal prosecution. Anyone with a psychology degree could punch holes through this law.

4) They have tested a load of the substances that were commonly available as legal highs. But we know that the range is constantly being tweaked. Is this lab seriously going to keep testing all of the new ones that will inevitably emerge? If they do not, then how would the prosecution demonstrate they are psychoactive?

5) There aren't any new resources for the police or border force that I am aware of. I just can't see this being a priority for police. I'm sure they will check head shops have stopped selling. They might have been rather interested in where the left over stock went. It is pretty obvious some UK internet sellers still had massive stock this week. What wasn't sold before the ban is supposed to be safely disposed of. But I seriously doubt that has happened in all cases. It will end up on the streets and TOR.

I guess they will seize more stuff in customs. Some of the things that were previously inspected, taped up, and sent on will presumably be seized. The law is quite clear about the penalties for importation. But I don't know how this will operate in reality. I assume they would differentiate between huge quantities that might be sold, vs a smaller quantity that is indicative of personal use. It isn't clear whether they would prosecute the latter or just send a letter.

So, it raises more questions than it answers. I think this will be determined by case law.

Sorry for the very long post - lots of issues here. Maybe this deserves its own thread?