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  Banned Product.
Posted by: Ismar - 11-09-2019, 10:54 PM - Forum: Who's Got It - Replies (4)

Huh For economical reasons I would prefer that, but I lost my way to getting it..

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  NY announces breakthrough in Vape Horrors
Posted by: Charon - 11-09-2019, 05:17 PM - Forum: World News - No Replies

NEW YORK (AP) - U.S. health officials announced a breakthrough Friday into the cause of a mysterious outbreak of vaping illnesses, reporting they have a "very strong culprit."

The same chemical compound was found in fluid taken from the lungs of 29 patients across the country, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said. The compound - vitamin E acetate - was previously found in liquid from electronic cigarettes and other vaping devices used by many of those who got sick.

But this is the first time they've found a common suspect in the damaged lungs of patients, officials said.

"We are in a better place in terms of having one very strong culprit," said the CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat.

Agency officials cautioned they cannot rule out all other toxic substances, and it may take animal studies to clearly show vitamin E acetate causes the lung damage that's been seen.

More than 2,000 Americans who vape have gotten sick since March, many of them teen and young adults, and at least 40 people have died. The bulk of the cases occurred in August and September but new cases are still being reported.

Vitamin E acetate has only recently been used as a thickener in vaping fluid, particularly in black market vape cartridges. While vitamin E is safe as a vitamin pill or to use on the skin, inhaling oily droplets of it can be harmful. It's sticky and stays in the lungs - the CDC's Dr. Jim Pirkle likened it to honey.

Many who got sick said they had vaped liquids that contain THC, the high-inducing part of marijuana, with many saying they got them from friends or bought them on the black market.

E-cigarettes and other vaping devices heat a liquid into an inhalable vapor. Most products contained nicotine, but THC vaping has been growing more common.

Pirkle said thickeners like vitamin E acetate probably would not be routinely added to nicotine liquids, which need to be more watery for vaping.

Juul Labs, maker of the top-selling brand of e-cigarette, issued a statement after the CDC announcement, noting that its nicotine products do not contain THC or any vitamin E compounds.

Symptoms of the vaping illness include trouble breathing, chest pain, fatigue and vomiting. Imaging tests show lung injuries and doctors can't find infections or other causes.

About two months ago, New York drew attention to vitamin E acetate when the state's public health lab discovered it in samples of vaping products from sick patients. In some instances, it made up more than half of the liquid in the cartridges.

The chemical has shown up in tests in other labs, too, including a U.S. Food and Drug Administration lab in Cincinnati that found vitamin E acetate in half of the more than 400 THC samples.

For the latest test, the CDC used fluid extracted from the lungs of 29 patients in 10 states, including two who died. Lab workers looked for a range of substances that had been found in various vaping devices, including nicotine, THC and other marijuana components, plant oils, mineral oil and cutting agents used on the black market.

It was an exhaustive list of more than 1,000, said Pirkle, who oversees agency's chemical analysis labs.

The one substance that came up in all 29 was vitamin E acetate.

"To me what's important here is both what they found, and what they didn't find" said Scott Becker, head of the Association of Public Health Laboratories. "This was the only thing they found."

Portland State University's Robert Strongin, who's researched e-cigarettes, welcomed the CDC report but cautioned it doesn't mean other ingredients in vaping products are safe. "They still could cause long-term harm," he said.

The CDC's Pirkle said animal testing is now a priority and might produce results within a year.

"We really need the animal study to nail down cause and effect," he said.

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  How the Narcissist and sociopath make u feel worse
Posted by: Charon - 11-08-2019, 01:19 AM - Forum: Family, Friends & Relationships - Replies (3)

6 phrases Narcissists and Sociopaths use to make you question your own sanity

6 Phrases Narcissists And Sociopaths Use To Make You Question Your Own Sanity
By Kris Di On Nov 7, 2019
It may be hard to believe, but sociopaths are all around us and we have all surely bumped into one or more at some point in our lives.
Plenty of people will not even notice they’re dealing with a sociopath until later.

People who play with your head may seem innocent. However, they usually want to manipulate you for their own gains. In addition, sociopaths are great manipulators and they are able to take control of almost anyone.

In a similar way, narcissists often manipulate people for their own benefit and in order to make themselves look good in front of others.

Have you had experiences with narcissists or sociopaths?
As soon as you learn about their tricks of manipulation, it will become much easier to recognize them. What follows are some of the most common phrases you will hear from a narcissist or sociopath.

1. You are just…
The blank can be filled to your choosing. Your spouse comes back home later than usual and smells like another person’s perfume. When you ask what’s going on, they say that you are just too jealous and paranoid. A sociopath will call you names and bounce off all criticism back towards you.

You could have a good reason to feel jealous, crazy or whatever else the sociopath accuses you of. Rather than hearing your concerns and talking about them, the sociopath will try to make you feel insecure. They truly believe that the problem never lies within themselves.

2. You don’t understand me
Gaslighting is a tool both sociopaths and narcissists often use to make a person who accused them feel guilty for accusing them like that ‘with no reason’. So, should you find yourself feeling bad about the things he or she does, try not to talk about them because at the end of the day it will all become your fault. They will use this tactic to appear innocent but you should know you are not looking at their real face.

3. You are too sensitive
They know your weak spots and gauge at them to see how much they can get away with. They hurl criticism and insults at you and belittle you until you eventually fall apart. And when you finally do, they accuse you of being overly sensitive. They turn the reactions they created against you because they seek to manipulate and make you appear insane.

4. Don’t be so dramatic

You are upset, but your pleas fall on deaf ears. They instantly dismiss your emotions by saying they are invalid. You are reading too much into it or being overly dramatic. You may have a very concise and logical argument, but the narcissist will push you down and make you question your self-worth. It doesn’t take long for you to start wondering whether your feelings and ideas are actually sensible and valid.

5. You are reading too much into it
Of course, we all sometimes dig too deep into things and when that happens we often think about things that are never truly there. Everyone is vulnerable at times.

Sociopaths will often try to irritate and prove you wrong in order to make you question your own intentions. They do all this with only one thing mind, and that is to make you feel insecure and crazy.

6. You would never survive without me
As soon as you start deconstructing the sociopath, their baser form of manipulation will become exposed. What they want with you is not a healthy relationship but control over you. Do not let them get their way. You can surely survive without them. Assuming you want to sleep better, stress less, and feel happy without having to take drugs or anything like that…

Do you think we may have missed some important tips here? Let us know by joining the conversation in the comments and please share this article if you enjoyed the read.


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  Depressed about the end of a relationship
Posted by: MrFussbudget - 11-05-2019, 02:49 PM - Forum: Family, Friends & Relationships - Replies (3)

I am in love with someone, and we don't really have anything in common.  We come from different countries, have vastly different opinions on things...yet I still love him.  Anyone been in this situation before?  Seems pretty likely that we will not last very long (It's been about 6 months now.) Do I just l just let this go?  I really hate being alone.

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  Being a true friend: helping with bereavement
Posted by: barq- - 11-05-2019, 12:31 PM - Forum: The Lounge - Replies (5)

One of my closest friends of 20 years had her father die yesterday. His health was poor, but he died very suddenly. I knew her father well, we'd have a chat, and went camping as a small group a few times. He was an incredibly kind man.

Sadly lots of us on this forum have lost people, so please can I draw on your collective wisdom? What have friends done that eased the pain or helped in some way? Conversely do you think there are things not to do (even if they are well-intended)?

Since this is the Lounge, let's try to focus on the positives and how people can show themselves to be a true friend at a time of loss. Looking for heart-warming stories that might inspire me to help someone else.

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  Delays this time of year?
Posted by: seeker47 - 10-30-2019, 01:57 PM - Forum: IOP General Discussion - Replies (6)

Anyone else experiencing unusual delays getting subscriptions right now? So far it’s been very consistent for me with these vendors until recently....can Halloween really cause such delays?

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Posted by: pickles77 - 10-30-2019, 03:20 AM - Forum: Suggest IOP's - Replies (3)

Has anyone used this website?

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  why is SSL not default? Just question.
Posted by: Psyboi - 10-30-2019, 01:39 AM - Forum: Suggestions & Technical - Replies (2)

Just as a techie, why is SSL not default for security purposes.
for all of us who are not techies,
HTTPS vs HTTP? Just my suggestion, please do not hate me if this is a redundant question. I tried searching but could not find anything related to this topic.

I saw it was suggested before I think, but I never saw a topic on this issue....perhaps I am mistaken if so please disregard this.

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  gearforyou.net. ??
Posted by: Cantbebroken - 10-28-2019, 06:46 AM - Forum: Suggest IOP's - Replies (2)

Has anyone heard of this vendor.   I'm a bit hesitant but I would like to know if anyone has or not?

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  Possible tech issue post count
Posted by: mr-nobody - 10-25-2019, 04:30 PM - Forum: Suggestions & Technical - Replies (14)

I think my post count went down on my end it says 37-38 should be over 100 I think.

Not having the sharpest day 2 hrs of editing burns me out just dropped by to relax and count seems off.

Will check later... not the end of the World but "newbie"... Confused ouch that hurt my feelings have to go cry softly in a corner now.

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